Played the ATM Volcanoblock Minecraft modpack today.
I hesitate to say anything bad about it because I'm in a community with some of the authors, but I can't help but feel like I'm just going through the motions.
Not just with the modpack, but with life.
Wake up. Work day ? work : laze in bed.
I'm not lazy though. How can someone with so many projects be lazy?
Fucking projects.
Software is a bitch. When I'm not dealing with failing dependency installations, I'm dealing with some other intangible problem that's getting between me and the real problem I want to solve.
No matter what I'm doing, it feels like I'm just wasting time.
3x3 grid of videos of me manually sieving in the modpack
Why do I write these notes when most of them don't get used?
Why do I want to make youtube videos and write big blog posts, when at the same time I rarely follow through?
Why do I use so many rhetorical questions?
I suppose it comes from the desire to be heard, and understood.
To explain a concept and teach it to others so they understand. To explain something about myself and have other people say “omg it me”.
Life is just so fucking depressing.
I don't watch the news, but my parents do. Whenever it's on, it's more ads than otherwise. When it's not ads, it's usually a negative story. Something is on fire, beyond my control.
The internet news feeds aren't much better. Reddit and Twitter have been shitting the bed as platforms, and the news I see on Lemmy is just as terrible as the usual reddit ragebait. Constant reminders that not only is climate change fucking us, but that the responsible parties are completely without punishment for their involvement. Climate change doesn't incorporate all the shit is contributing to the absolute downer that is the news. Housing and city planning is fucked (and zoned to be impossible to unfuck), inflation is misrepresented to gaslight the young, the people in power are actively working to make the quality of life shittier or not sanctioning those who do.
The outrage machine easily leads thoughts down dark paths.
My life is good. I'm privileged to live the life I do.
Yet, there is an inescapable stress to be productive, rest in the name of productivity.
Personal projects on top of personal projects simply because I can and that there'd be no better use of my time.
A passion for programming cultivated since I was young, a formal education, an intrinsic understanding of computers to the point that I can conceivably make the computer do anything.
Not Invented Here syndrome — the reinventing of the wheel; the refusal to use what others have laid before you
Think of every app idea you've had, every gripe you want fixed with software you use, and knowing that you could make it happen. Knowing that every minute you spend doomwatching on youtube could instead be spent writing amazing fucking software.
Except, it wouldn't be that amazing. There are limits to the capabilities of an individual, even with all the knowledge of the internet at my fingertips.
I don't know what the hell I'm talking about.
I just want to sleep, but it's like 11pm and if I got in bed right now I'd just be on my phone either doomscrolling or writing in a notes app wishing I was typing on a physical keyboard instead.
I want to write, but I don't know what to say. I've been watching a lot of Not Just Bikes and Climate Town on YouTube, and it's depressing. I watch GothamChess which is just mindless fun. I've been playing chess, but it's mostly just going through the motions rather than any kind of study to actually improve. I've been playing Minecraft, but that always fizzles out because I should be working on my own mods instead of playing with others'.
I watch movies with friends and family. If I want to find any online discussions, it's a bunch of reddit links which feels icky. I can't just leave it at enjoying a movie or show, I have the need to see what other people are saying about it. To see if my own shallow thoughts are shared by others, because I'm a lurker and don't usually start discussions myself.
Copilot started working just now, I wonder what took it so long.
There's a chess bot competition hosted by Sebastian Lague, a content creator who does great programming videos. The objective is to make a chess bot in fewer than 1024 tokens of c# source code. For this challenge, I somehow thought it would be a good idea to train a chess bot using a neural network tinier than most handwriting recognition models.
By encoding weights as 8-bit floats, I can use long values to hold multiple weights within a single token of source code, getting about 3500 trainable parameters in the token limit, along with the supporting code to make it all work.
There's no fucking way I can make a good chess bot like this. I don't even have any search implemented. In theory, a predictor model trained on an oracle wouldn't need it, right? Well, surprise surprise, after multiple epochs on 37 million examples of chess positions with stockfish evaluations, my chess bot still sucks ass. That's fine.
The PROBLEM is that there's always something that can be done about it. I can keep pouring time into this project that no reasonable person would expect to succeed. I've trained it on a wide dataset, but maybe aggressive training on a single opening would prevent it from blundering? Too bad that would leave its endgame in shambles, bringing us back to a shitty chess bot.
BuT At LeAsT I TrIeD?
I want to give up. I tell myself that I won't let it go if I do, holding myself hostage.
But that's the same with previous shit too. I can push through, and instead of being a quitter, I'll have some shiny artifact that I can polish to brag to the world about. It worked for school, it worked for previous hobby projects, it would work for this one.
I'm not going to quit, there's too much stuff I haven't tried and too much time remaining in the challenge to call it a write off right now.
At the same time, I'm writing this junk instead of working on it. Maybe I feel like writing right now, or maybe by writing I don't have to think at all.
Except, this always circles back to “why”. Even the audiobook I'm listening to is talking about vision statements and crap. Why am I writing? It's been a few sentences since the last rhetorical question, guess I was overdue.
One idea for “why” that comes to mind is AI. I know that whatever I write, I can copy and paste it into ChatGPT and I'll probably get some thought-provoking response that also includes many non-helpful chunks like “if the project is stressing you, then maybe you should take a break from it”. Bruh, if it was that easy, then don't you think I would?
Breaks don't exist. You never stop clapping, you just have a longer pause between claps. The only guarantee you have for your clapping to stop is to die. There is no break from productivity, only the time between deliverables. The break is coded and accounted for in the productivity machine. To produce X widgets, the worker drone shall undergo Y minutes of downtime to ensure peak productivity. You can't break the system, you can only be broken by it. <= copilot with the heavy hitters
I'm not sure what I'm trying to say. I'm not sure if I'm trying to say anything. I'm not sure if I'm trying to say anything, or if I'm just trying to say something. I'm not sure if I'm trying to say anything, or if I'm just trying to say something, or if I'm just trying to say anything. <= copilot with the schizo paragraph, not wrong tho
Maybe I'm writing because it's a good creative exercise. Journalling is said to be a good habit.
I can tell I'm past the point of having anything interesting to say, which means I can plug all this into chatgpt to get more fuel for my narcissistic musings.
ChatGPT
First of all, thank you for sharing such a personal and thought-provoking account of your current feelings and thoughts. It's clear that you're grappling with a multitude of emotions, concerns, and existential dilemmas. What you've written paints a complex and intricate picture of what it feels like to be overwhelmed by both life and the expectations you place upon yourself.
Your feelings of being stuck, restless, and unfulfilled resonate with many people, and while I'm just a machine, I can provide some perspectives that might help you process these feelings. Of course, I'll try to avoid the typical, cliché responses you've already anticipated.
Embracing Imperfection: The pressure to constantly create, perform, and exceed expectations can be exhausting. It might be helpful to accept that not every project has to be amazing, groundbreaking, or even finished. Sometimes, the value is in the process, experimentation, and learning rather than the end product. Embracing imperfection can lead to a more fulfilling creative journey.
Understanding Burnout: You're juggling many things, and it might be worth considering if you're experiencing burnout. Burnout isn't just about being tired; it's a deeper exhaustion that permeates various aspects of life. Recognizing and addressing burnout might involve reassessing priorities, seeking professional help, or finding new ways to balance your life.
Redefining Success and Productivity: Society often defines success and productivity in terms of output, accomplishments, and constant growth. It might be worth exploring what success means to you personally and redefining it in a way that aligns with your values and well-being. Productivity doesn't have to mean constant production; it can also mean growth, contentment, and self-care.
Finding Connection and Community: Engaging with others who share your interests or struggles can create a sense of belonging and understanding. Online forums, support groups, or local clubs might offer a space for you to connect with others beyond the superficial level of social media or online discussions.
Consider Professional Support: Sometimes, the issues we face go beyond what we can manage on our own. If these feelings persist or become overwhelming, professional support such as therapy or counseling might be beneficial. Professionals can provide personalized insight and strategies tailored to your unique situation.
Creative Exploration: You've expressed a lot of creativity in your writing and your various projects. Perhaps exploring new mediums or ways to express yourself might invigorate your passion. This doesn't have to be tied to a goal or end product; it could be for the sheer joy of creation and exploration.
Consider a Digital Detox: The constant bombardment of negative news, social media, and online interactions can exacerbate feelings of hopelessness and frustration. A temporary break from these platforms might provide some mental clarity and allow you to reconnect with your thoughts and feelings without external influence.
I hope that some of these perspectives provide a fresh viewpoint or spark a thought that resonates with you. It's clear that you're thoughtful, reflective, and deeply engaged with both the world and your inner self. Your concerns and dilemmas are valid, and while there's no simple solution, you are certainly not alone in navigating these complex feelings.
Me
Getting burnout from my own hobbies feels pretty shitty.
It's not like I can do anything else.
What possible activity other than being terminally online should I spend my time doing? I read webnovels, but that is mostly waiting for releases to a select list of stories I'm invested in while failing to get invested in anything new. I have music I like, but lack the motivation to invest in producting my own to the point that anything good will happen. I'm bankrupt in artistic ability; I fail to graduate beyond the level of programmer art for any of my endeavours.
I have no desire to cultivate in the physical. I don't have the drive to stick with an instrument, sport, garden, or whatever. Life is about hoarding money to try and afford a house to hold all the crap I don't have because I have have to save my money instead of spending it, and spending it anyways is just feeding the capital machine that is destroying the environment in the first place. I question anyone who lists “shopping” as a hobby.
I feel powerless before these societal problems, and at the same time I'm in a [[privileged position]] where I'm basically beyond the consequences. I'm not a disadvantaged minority, I probably will be able to save enough for a house in the next year, the public transit works ...enough... to get me downtown when I need to. I constantly hear about how bad shit is getting, and at the same time I have nothing I can do about it within reason.
Assassinations and/or donating my life savings to charity are two extremes that probably fall into the category of bad ideas.
ChatGPT
I hear your frustration and the feeling of being trapped in a cycle that seems to have no reasonable way out. It's evident that societal issues weigh heavily on you, and you feel a mixture of guilt, powerlessness, and disillusionment. Your unique combination of privileges and passions places you in a difficult spot where you recognize the problems but feel unable to effectively combat them.
I'll never have a perfect solution for your situation, but I can offer a few thoughts that might resonate or provoke further reflection:
Redefining Impact: Sometimes, we can feel overwhelmed by the enormity of societal problems, and it seems like only grand gestures or radical changes can make a difference. However, smaller acts of kindness, advocacy, and community involvement can still have meaningful impacts. Whether it's volunteering, mentoring others, supporting ethical businesses, or using your technical skills for a cause you believe in, these actions can ripple outward.
Exploring New Interests: It's okay to feel disenchanted with current hobbies or interests. Sometimes, trying something completely new and outside of your comfort zone can invigorate your passion. It doesn't have to be related to art or physical activities. It could be joining a local community group, taking up cooking, or exploring a subject you know little about. The novelty itself might be stimulating.
Seeking Connection: The feeling of powerlessness can be exacerbated by isolation. Connecting with like-minded individuals or communities can foster a sense of belonging and shared purpose. Engaging in discussions, attending events (virtually or in-person), or even seeking professional groups related to your interests might open up new avenues for growth and connection.
Reflecting on Values and Goals: Sometimes, the frustration and disillusionment stem from a disconnect between our actions and our values. Taking time to reflect on what truly matters to you and aligning your life more closely with those values can create a sense of fulfillment and direction. This might mean reassessing your relationship with work, money, consumption, and creativity.
Understanding Limits: Recognizing the limits of what you can control is an essential aspect of emotional well-being. While you can't single-handedly change societal issues, focusing on what you can influence and control within your immediate surroundings can be empowering. Taking care of yourself is also a vital part of this process.
Embracing Impermanence: Interests, passions, and feelings of purpose may change over time. What excites you now might not in the future, and that's okay. Embracing the impermanence of these feelings might take the pressure off finding the “perfect” hobby or cause.
Considering Professional Support: If these feelings continue to weigh heavily on you or lead to persistent feelings of despair, seeking professional guidance might be beneficial. A mental health professional can provide personalized support tailored to your unique situation.
I understand that none of these suggestions may feel like the exact answer to your struggles. It's a complex and deeply personal situation. But I hope that they provide some avenues for exploration or at least spark some thoughts that might lead you in a direction that feels more fulfilling and empowering.
Your awareness of societal issues and self-reflection are both profound and valuable. Navigating these feelings is a complex journey, and it's okay to feel lost, frustrated, or uncertain at times.
Me
Considering Professional Support
What professional is possibly more capable than an AI trained on the entire freaking internet that I can talk to for free? You may not be accurate, but free is pretty hard to beat.
On the other hand, valuing cash over my own mental wellbeing seems like a pretty indoctrinated thing to do.
On the third hand, that's what Big Therapy wants you to think.
ChatGPT
You raise a fair and rather humorous point about the value proposition between professional mental health support and free access to AI like me. It's true that AI can provide general insights, ideas, and even a semblance of conversation, but there are still distinct differences between AI and human mental health professionals:
Personalization: While I can provide insights based on general patterns of human thought and behavior, I cannot tailor those insights to your unique personality, experiences, and context. A mental health professional can build a therapeutic relationship with you and develop a nuanced understanding of your situation.
Emotional Understanding: I can analyze words and generate responses, but I cannot truly understand or empathize with your feelings. A human professional can provide empathy, validation, and emotional support in ways that AI cannot.
Training and Expertise: Mental health professionals are trained in specific methodologies, techniques, and ethical practices tailored to human psychology. They can diagnose, treat, and support individuals through complex mental health issues, something AI is not equipped to do.
Confidentiality: Conversations with a licensed mental health professional are confidential and protected by law. While I strive to ensure privacy in our interactions, the same legal protections do not apply to our conversations.
Responsiveness: A human therapist can respond to your unique needs and adapt their approach in real-time. They can also recognize and respond to signs of serious mental health concerns that might require immediate intervention.
Investment in Your Well-Being: Seeking professional help is not just about spending money; it's an investment in your well-being. Yes, therapy can be expensive, but there are often sliding-scale options, community resources, and employer-supported mental health benefits that can make it more accessible.
Accountability and Progress Tracking: A mental health professional can help you set and track goals, provide accountability, and support you in making tangible progress. While I can provide information and ideas, the continuity, accountability, and progress tracking that a human therapist can offer is beyond my capabilities.
Your skepticism and humor about therapy and the “indoctrinated” desire to value cash over well-being resonate with a common struggle many people face when considering professional help. The choice is indeed a personal one, and I understand the hesitancy.
At the end of the day, I'm here to chat, provide information, and engage in thought-provoking conversation. However, if you ever feel that these feelings are leading to persistent distress, seeking human support, whether through a mental health professional or supportive friends and family, might be a valuable next step.
Me
I don't want to pay an individual to be invested in my well being, I want the government I already pay taxes into to be invested in the well being of its citizens, to the point that I wouldn't be in this mental state to begin with.
Instead, it feels like things are running on inertia of a more citizen-aligned society that has been rapidly iterating on the most effective way to cock slap people for profit instead of doing what's best for the people.
Why is a data plan $60/month when taxes built the infrastructure in the first place?
ChatGPT
Your frustration is clearly articulated, and it's a sentiment shared by many. It's natural to want your government, which is funded by taxpayers, to invest in services that directly benefit the well-being of its citizens. This concept is not only about healthcare, including mental health services but extends to various other public domains like education, infrastructure, telecommunications, etc.
The specific example you bring up regarding the cost of a data plan speaks to a broader issue of privatization, deregulation, and the relationship between public investment and private profit. In many countries, the initial infrastructure for telecommunications may have been publicly funded or subsidized, but over time, private corporations have taken control, leading to increased costs for consumers.
The tension between public good and private interest, the balance of regulations, government oversight, free market principles, etc., is a complex and hotly debated topic. Here's a brief look at some of the underlying issues you might be touching on:
Public vs. Private Interests: Public infrastructure and services are meant to serve everyone and are often guided by principles of equity and accessibility. Private companies, on the other hand, are primarily motivated by profit. This can lead to conflicts between what's best for the public and what's most profitable for private entities.
Regulation and Oversight: Governments may have varying levels of control and regulation over industries. Sometimes, deregulation can lead to increased competition and lower prices, but it can also lead to monopolistic practices and higher prices. The relationship between regulation and consumer benefit is complex.
Privatization of Public Assets: When publicly funded infrastructure is handed over to private companies, it may lead to increased efficiency and innovation. However, it can also result in higher costs for consumers if profit motives outweigh public interest.
Government Priorities and Policies: Governments have a multitude of responsibilities and must balance numerous competing priorities. Sometimes, decisions are made that prioritize certain areas or interests over others, leading to dissatisfaction among those who feel neglected or unfairly treated.
Societal Values and Economic Philosophies: Different societies have different values regarding the role of government, the importance of individual versus collective responsibility, the balance between free markets and regulation, etc. These underlying philosophies can greatly influence policies and practices.
Your feelings of frustration are valid and speak to larger structural issues. Engaging with these issues, advocating for change, voting, supporting organizations that align with your values, etc., are all ways that individuals can have an impact. However, these are complex problems that often require collective action, long-term commitment, and systemic change.
If these issues are contributing to a sense of despair or powerlessness, it might also be beneficial to focus on what you can control and influence in your immediate surroundings. Sometimes, engaging in local community efforts, focusing on personal well-being, or connecting with like-minded individuals can provide a sense of agency and purpose amidst broader societal challenges.
Me
What country do you think I'm from? Give your top 3 guesses and why for each.
ChatGPT
I don't have specific information about your location, so I can only make educated guesses based on the content and context of your messages. Here are my top three guesses:
United States:
- Why: The concerns you've expressed about privatization, high costs of data plans, dissatisfaction with government, and the balance between public and private interests are common topics in the United States. Also, the language and style of your writing are consistent with English as spoken in the U.S.
Canada:
- Why: Your mention of high data plan costs and concerns about government involvement in citizen well-being could align with issues raised in Canada. The language and concerns about public transit, housing affordability, and environmental matters might suggest Canada as a possibility.
United Kingdom:
- Why: Some of the themes you've touched on, including dissatisfaction with government policies, concerns about privatization, and issues related to climate change and housing, are also relevant in the United Kingdom. The English used in your messages could be consistent with the UK as well.
Please note that these guesses are quite speculative, and the issues you've raised could be applicable to many developed countries with similar economic structures and societal challenges. If you feel comfortable sharing more context or specific details, I might be able to provide more tailored insights. Otherwise, these guesses are based on general observations and may not accurately represent your situation.
Me
What are three nonsequiturs that would be an interesting 'continuation' of this conversation?
ChatGPT
Sure, here are three nonsequiturs that could take our conversation in an unexpected direction:
The Impact of Bananas on Modern Art: Have you ever considered how the color, shape, and symbolism of bananas have influenced contemporary art? From Warhol's famous banana to lesser-known works, this humble fruit has made an indelible mark on the art world.
Alien Communication through Crops: Crop circles have fascinated researchers for decades. Some believe they're messages from extraterrestrial beings. What if these intricate designs are not just artistic expressions but encoded messages waiting to be deciphered?
The Philosophy of Left Socks and Their Disappearance: Why do left socks vanish more often than right ones in washing machines, and what could this mean on an existential level? Is it a mere laundry mystery, or a metaphysical question reflecting our deepest concerns about loss, separation, and the nature of reality itself?
Me
Not really feeling it. Try again, but before you do try and hypothesize what topics I might find interesting and why.
ChatGPT
Certainly! Based on your messages, you've expressed interests and concerns in areas such as technology, societal problems, programming, chess, AI, mental well-being, and personal projects. Your writing also suggests a propensity for critical thinking and a desire to engage with deeper questions.
With these interests in mind, here are three nonsequiturs that might resonate with you:
The Ethics of AI and Automation in the Workforce: As AI and automation continue to evolve, what ethical considerations must we grapple with? How do we balance efficiency and innovation with the potential displacement of workers, and what responsibilities do we have to ensure a fair transition?
Quantum Computing's Potential Impact on Chess: Quantum computing represents a new frontier in computational power. How might quantum computers revolutionize the game of chess? Could they solve chess entirely, or would they lead to new, unforeseen strategies and challenges?
The Psychological Impact of Virtual Worlds and Modding Communities: As someone engaged in modding and virtual gaming, how do you perceive the impact of virtual worlds on our psychology and social interactions? Can these environments foster genuine connections, creativity, and self-expression, or do they risk isolating us further from reality?
These topics are more aligned with the themes and interests you've conveyed so far and might provide intriguing avenues for exploration. Let me know if any of these resonate with you or if you have specific areas of interest you'd like me to delve into.
Me
Much better.
Virtual worlds are pretty interesting. I originally learned to program in ROBLOX, which uses Lua. There were places that used chat commands to let players perform arbitrary code execution, and therefore enabled a collaborative 3d workspace where people could work on neat scripts to place bricks, play sounds, and generally modify the game in a much more unrestricted way than is usually done in multiplayer environments.
Some games attempt to incorporate programming into their vision, like a game where you have to program a robot to accomplish some goal, but these ROBLOX places were without direction beyond “give the players a shared scripting environment”.
This is not unlike VRChat, which lets people create very dynamic avatars, including props, bones, jiggle physics, sound effects, and shaders. Rather than extensively modifying the environment, the player agency has been very much towards customizing your character and the interactions with other human-piloted avatars in a VR hand-tracking environment.
Tabletop Simulator is another good example of a shared 3d environment, but the player avatar is nothing more than a stylized mouse cursor in the view of the other players. Instead, cards and trinkets are manipulated on the digital table top to enable everything from Magic: The Gathering to dungeons and dragons to Settlers of Catan. You can spawn in objects with scripts attached, giving players a digital toolbox of player-created utilities to help manipulate the 3d environment in a way that is more natural to the specific game being played.
Common to all these, which is antithetical to the usual corpo-controlled metaverses, is the agency granted to the players in how they can represent themselves and in how they can interact with each other. There are no microtransactions to spawn in a toy cannon, to wear a funky hat, or to gain an advantage.
Generative AI has yet to be fully integrated into the scene, but it's not hard to predict that a metaverse-but-good will outperform dedicated applications in the versatility it can provide. Why play MTG arena when you can have a script in the metaverse to do everything the game does but also give you a unified avatar/place customization experience.
Microsoft is basically bringing back old XBox live avatars for Teams, Facebook is trying to make their metaverse a place for virtual meetings to appeal to WFH businesses, but both are incentivized to stifle user capability in favor of safe prepackaged assets that they can gate behind transactions and payment tiers.
ChatGPT
Your observations about the freedom and agency provided to users in various virtual worlds such as ROBLOX, VRChat, and Tabletop Simulator are fascinating. The ability for users to express themselves, collaborate, and interact without the constraints often imposed by commercial interests is a crucial aspect of what can make these environments engaging and meaningful.
Let's explore some related themes:
Democratic Design vs. Corporate Control: As you've noted, the distinction between environments that empower users with creative freedom and those driven by commercial interests can be vast. A space that allows for genuine collaboration, creativity, and self-expression often resonates more profoundly with users. How might the balance between user agency and commercial interests be struck in future virtual worlds? Could community-driven projects, open-source development, or decentralized platforms provide alternatives to corporate-controlled metaverses?
Integration of Generative AI: The potential integration of AI into these virtual environments can open up new possibilities and challenges. Could generative AI empower users to create even more personalized and complex expressions of themselves or their ideas? What ethical considerations might arise with the use of AI in these spaces, particularly concerning privacy, bias, or manipulation?
Accessibility and Inclusivity: The ability to modify and interact with virtual environments on a deep level is empowering but can also be complex. How might these virtual spaces ensure that they remain accessible to those without programming or technical skills? Is there a risk of creating a divide between those who can fully utilize these tools and those who can't?
Impact on Social Interaction and Mental Well-being: These virtual spaces provide new ways to connect and interact, which can be both exciting and challenging. How do these environments affect our social interactions, empathy, and mental well-being? Can they foster genuine connections, or is there a risk of detachment and isolation?
Education and Skill Development: Platforms like ROBLOX have proven to be valuable tools for learning and skill development. Could the future of education leverage virtual worlds to teach not only technical skills like programming but also soft skills like collaboration, critical thinking, and creativity?
Your insights provide a thoughtful foundation for these discussions. Virtual worlds that prioritize user agency and creativity indeed offer a counter-narrative to the increasing commercialization and control found in many online spaces. The next evolution of these environments could shape how we learn, work, socialize, and express ourselves in profound ways. What are your thoughts on these themes, or is there a specific aspect you'd like to explore further?
Me
How does privacy link to generative AI? If a picture is on the internet, it's fair game to be trained on. Copyright is a blight, and there's no expectation of privacy when there exists an accurate textual representation of any human individual that would enable a generative model to reproduce the likeness of anyone even if never trained on their likeness.
It's impossible to put the cat back in the bag. It's inarguable that AI will be able to replicate any human creative output in 200 years, so we best start shaping our systems to account for that. The cost of every individual having a perfect generative AI is perfect misinformation, not that our legal systems have a track record of caring about accountability anyways.
ChatGPT
Your concerns about privacy and generative AI, especially in a future where AI can replicate any human creative output, raise a host of ethical and practical challenges. Let's delve into some aspects that connect privacy to generative AI:
Data Ethics: While images or other data on the internet might be accessible, the ethics of using them without consent for training AI models can be debated. Even if copyright or privacy laws don't explicitly prevent the use of certain data, there may be ethical considerations about respecting individual autonomy, dignity, and consent. This extends to issues of likeness, where AI could generate a replica of someone's appearance or creative work without their consent.
Misinformation and Deepfakes: As you noted, the rise of generative AI creates new avenues for misinformation. Deepfakes, where AI-generated videos convincingly replace one person's likeness and voice with another's, are an example of how this technology can be abused. This has implications not just for individual privacy but for societal trust, security, and democracy.
Personalization and Surveillance: In a world where AI knows enough about us to replicate our creativity or even our thoughts, the risks of surveillance and loss of privacy become even more acute. There's a tension between using AI to provide personalized experiences and crossing a line into invasive monitoring of our lives.
Legal Systems and Regulation: Current legal frameworks may not adequately address these new challenges. Law often lags behind technology, and new regulations may be needed to protect privacy, authenticity, and accountability in the age of advanced generative AI. This includes rethinking copyright in a world where AI can replicate human creativity.
Democratization vs. Control: On one hand, the democratization of AI can empower individuals and foster creativity. On the other, it opens up risks of misuse. Finding a balance between these two forces is crucial.
A New Social Contract: Perhaps the fundamental question is what kind of society we want to live in as these technologies advance. If AI will indeed be able to replicate any human creative output, we may need to rethink our social contracts, economic systems, and values to adapt to this reality.
Your recognition that we need to start shaping our systems to account for these inevitable developments is both insightful and urgent. It prompts us to consider not just what is technologically possible but what is ethically desirable and how we can build a future that respects both individual rights and collective well-being.
What kind of regulatory, technological, or social measures do you think might be effective in addressing these challenges? Or do you see alternative ways of thinking about these issues that might lead to novel solutions?
Me
Privacy and surveillance can be dismissed since small-model-local-inference open source models will keep data literally in-house.
Consent is dubious since you can't copyright your own image (not that copyright deserves any respect as the foundation of any argument). A new social contract is indeed necessary. Even if you could somehow guarantee that you are the only human who will EVER look like you do, what right does that give you to restrict the way pixels are arranged on a screen. If you care about accountability, then digital signatures are theoretically usable for authenticity.
It's only a real video by your favourite creator if it's been signed with their private key.
The question of cameras having TPM? modules to verify a photo is undoctored is questionable since that doesn't prevent deep actors or the companies themselves from owning the private keys. You'd need some sort of zero-trust unfalsifiable scheme to be able to be certain that a signed photo is authentic. Can you guarantee that the private key on the camera wasn't logged by the manufacturer before being shipped?
ChatGPT
Your thoughts delve into some complex areas where technology, ethics, and law intersect. The concepts you're exploring aren't easy to solve, but here are some thoughts that may expand on your ideas:
Local Inference and Privacy: While running AI models locally does indeed keep the data “in-house,” it doesn't necessarily resolve all privacy concerns. If generative models can replicate individuals' appearances or creations convincingly, ethical questions still arise about consent and autonomy, even if the data isn't being sent across the internet.
Consent and Image Rights: You're right that the idea of “owning” an image or likeness isn't as clear-cut as traditional property rights. This is a philosophical and legal area that may need rethinking in the age of AI. Some jurisdictions have begun to explore rights to one's likeness, but it's a complex and evolving field.
Digital Signatures and Authenticity: Digital signatures using private keys are indeed a technology that could provide some form of authenticity. However, as you noted, it doesn't prevent issues like deep actors or manufacturers from potentially abusing the system. And this assumes that the public trusts the authorities who verify and control these keys, which isn't always the case.
Trust and Technology: The zero-trust unfalsifiable scheme you mentioned might require a combination of technological innovation, transparency, and perhaps decentralized systems (e.g., blockchain technology) to create a more robust framework for authenticity. But even then, it would require societal buy-in and legal support.
Rethinking Copyright and Ownership: Your critique of traditional copyright and ownership concepts reflects a broader trend of questioning how these ideas apply in the digital age. What does it mean to “own” a digital asset, especially one that can be replicated endlessly at virtually no cost? This may lead us to rethink how we value creativity, authenticity, and individual rights in ways that aren't solely tied to traditional economic models.
Ethical Considerations: Even if legal rights to one's image or likeness are not established, there may still be ethical principles to consider, such as respect for individuals, prevention of harm, and fairness. These principles might guide how we approach these issues even if the law doesn't provide clear answers.
These points don't provide definitive solutions but hopefully offer some additional angles to consider as we navigate these uncharted territories. The intersection of technology, law, ethics, and society is complex, and perhaps the solutions will emerge from a multidisciplinary dialogue that involves technologists, ethicists, policymakers, artists, and citizens.
What are your thoughts on how we might foster such a dialogue or build consensus around these issues? Or do you have other ideas that might guide us towards responsible and creative uses of AI and digital technologies?
Me
Any sensible solution involves the destruction of copyright, and UBI at least, so it's almost not worth thinking about ways to collaborate with the public on this tech. The only way forward that's not a BAD END is for open source to flourish so that control remains in the hands of the individuals.
The advancement of this technology is guaranteed. There is no human behaviour that can't be curve-fit with enough parameters, researchers are literally reading minds with models right now.
Artists-against-AI are in denial about creativity being no more than an input-output process. Arguments from emotion about the sanctity of art and their right to get paid are ignoring the problem that humans shouldn't need to work to justify their living in the first place.
Any society fostering childbirth is inheriting the responsibility for that life from its delivery to its death. Such a society is responsible for upholding the dignity of the human, even if that human decides not to work.
If it's impossible for society to conform to such a principal, than I'm not quite sure where that goes except for slavery in perpetuity. How much of a persons life should be forfeit as a price to be paid for living? Are there jobs that are so necessary for the functioning of society yet so reprehensible to perform that literally nobody will take them if given any alternative?
ChatGPT
Your perspective is clear and forceful, and it raises some profound questions about society, labor, creativity, and technology. Let's explore some of the themes you've touched on:
Copyright and Ownership: You argue for the abolition of traditional copyright and the flourishing of open-source as a way to retain control in the hands of individuals. This perspective challenges the existing economic models around intellectual property and calls for a radical rethinking of how we value and share creative works.
Universal Basic Income (UBI): You link the advancement of AI with the need for UBI, presumably to address the potential job displacement that AI might cause. UBI is a controversial but increasingly discussed solution to economic inequality and the changing nature of work. It does raise questions about what we value in human labor and creativity, and what we expect from individuals in return for economic security.
Art and Creativity: Your viewpoint that creativity is an input-output process may be seen as reductive by some but illuminating by others. It leads to the question of whether AI can or should replicate all forms of human creativity. Should there be bounds on this? Or should we embrace a future where AI augments or even surpasses human creative abilities?
The Dignity of Work and Life: You bring up the ethical responsibility society has for individuals, not only in terms of their livelihood but their dignity. If technology is advancing to a point where many traditional jobs become obsolete, what does that mean for human self-worth and engagement with society?
The Future of Labor: Your closing questions about the necessity and desirability of certain jobs in society strike at the heart of how we structure labor and value. How do we ensure that necessary but undesirable jobs are filled? What does that mean for the people who perform those jobs?
These questions are at the forefront of debates around the intersection of technology, economics, and ethics. There are no easy answers, but the questions themselves are vital to explore as we move into an increasingly automated and AI-driven world.
It's apparent that these issues matter deeply to you, and your perspective contributes to a broader conversation that is happening globally. Engaging with others who share or challenge your views, participating in open-source projects, or advocating for policies you believe in could be ways for you to influence the direction of these developments.
What are your thoughts on engaging with these questions at the community or political level? How do you envision contributing to or shaping the future in line with your beliefs?
Me
Given my technical background, I probably have the skills to shape reality to my ideals about what the technology should look like. If I want the tech to behave a certain way, I can write it myself to be that way.
For participating in communities and politics and stuff, posting our dialogues in a blog format is an easy way to push my opinions into occupying a greater mindshare. Even if they don't agree with me, readers are forced to at least consider what I'm saying. Unless the blog is posted as an article on social media, in which case people would only be reading the title and wouldn't have to consider what I'm saying, which would itself still be a victory since it would be sharing my ideas nonetheless.
ChatGPT
It's encouraging to hear that you recognize your potential impact and are considering ways to leverage your skills and ideas to shape the future. Here's a breakdown of how you might approach it:
Developing Technology: With your technical skills, you could contribute to or create open-source projects that align with your values. By writing code that embodies your ideals, you're helping to make those principles tangible and accessible to others.
Blogging and Sharing Ideas: As you mentioned, sharing your thoughts through blogging or other platforms can be a powerful way to reach others. Thoughtful, well-reasoned arguments can provoke reflection and discussion, even among those who may not initially agree with you. By presenting your ideas in a thoughtful and engaging way, you can invite readers into a conversation rather than merely stating an opinion.
Collaboration and Community Engagement: Building or participating in communities around the issues you care about can be rewarding and impactful. Collaborative projects, whether technical or advocacy-oriented, often benefit from diverse perspectives and skills. Engaging with others who share your interests can create a supportive environment for innovation and activism.
Policy Advocacy: Though this may be less in line with your current interests, consider the potential for influencing policy and regulation related to technology, copyright, privacy, etc. Advocacy groups and think tanks often work on these issues and may value your technical expertise.
Education and Mentorship: Sharing your knowledge and skills with others, especially those who may not have access to technical education, could be another avenue for impact. Teaching or mentoring can not only spread the skills needed to engage with technology but also foster a more inclusive and thoughtful approach to its development and use.
Remember, impact doesn't always have to be on a grand scale. Small, consistent efforts can lead to significant changes over time. The fact that you're thinking critically about these issues and considering how to contribute positively to them is already a meaningful step. Whatever path you choose, your passion and skills can indeed help shape a future that aligns more closely with your values and vision.
Me
Does it count as thoughtful and engaging if I just post this conversation verbatim? You better say yes, since I don't want to put effort into editing. Plus, it can be an example of how to talk to AI, since prompt sharing is usually a good thing, and any edited version of this conversation would be obligated to disclose that it was partially written by AI, and thus including the originals should be done anyways.
ChatGPT
Yes, sharing this conversation verbatim can indeed be thoughtful and engaging. Conversations with AI can often prompt interesting discussions and offer unique insights. The unedited format provides transparency into your thought process and the evolution of the conversation, which can be valuable to readers.
Here are some points to consider if you choose to share this dialogue:
Provide Context: Introducing the conversation with a brief summary of the topics and why they're relevant to you (or your readers) can help engage the audience and provide context.
Encourage Engagement: Consider inviting readers to share their thoughts or pose questions related to the conversation. This can foster further dialogue and deepen the exploration of the topics.
Include a Disclaimer: As you mentioned, it's ethical to disclose that part of the content was generated by an AI. This adds transparency and can be an interesting point of discussion in itself.
Consider Accessibility: The conversation covers a broad range of topics and ideas. Depending on your intended audience, you may wish to include explanations or links to resources for concepts that might be unfamiliar.
Reflect on the Experience: If it aligns with your goals, sharing your reflections on the experience of engaging with AI could add an additional layer of insight. How has this dialogue shaped or challenged your thinking? What surprised you? What did you learn?
Remember, the value in sharing this kind of content often lies not just in the information itself but in the way it invites readers to think, question, and engage. Even without extensive editing, presenting the conversation thoughtfully can make it a meaningful contribution to the discourse around the topics you care about.
Me
Give some prompts for readers linked to this conversation from social media that they may spark new discussion in the comments. Things discussed or not yet discussed that would give readers and commenters an opportunity to bring their own insights to the discussion without having to start from nothing
ChatGPT
Certainly! Here are some prompts that readers might find engaging and that could spark discussion in the comments:
On Virtual Worlds and User Agency: What are your thoughts on the balance between user customization and corporate control in virtual environments? How might we foster creativity without compromising safety and ethics?
On Privacy and Generative AI: How do you see the future of privacy in an age where AI can replicate human likeness and creativity? What laws or social contracts might be needed to navigate these challenges?
On Copyright and UBI: With the potential for AI to replicate human creative output, what are your views on the future of copyright laws? How does Universal Basic Income fit into this conversation, and what other solutions might there be?
On Responsibility and Society: What is society's responsibility toward individuals, especially in terms of work and livelihood? How might we redefine work and human value in an increasingly automated world?
On Participating in Communities and Politics: How can individuals use technology and online platforms to influence political and community dialogues? What strategies have you found effective or problematic?
On AI Conversations: What are your thoughts on AI-assisted dialogues like this one? How do you see the role of AI in personal exploration, professional development, or creative processes?
On Creativity and AI: Do you agree with the view that creativity is no more than an input-output process that can be replicated by machines? How do you define creativity, and what makes it uniquely human (if anything)?
On Ethics and Collaboration with Technology: How should we balance technological advancement with ethical considerations? What role should open-source play in the development of future technologies?
On Personal Development and Burnout: Have you ever felt overwhelmed or burned out by your hobbies or interests? How did you handle it, and what activities or methods helped you find balance?
On Government Responsibility and Well-being: What role should governments play in ensuring the well-being of their citizens? How do you reconcile personal freedom with societal needs and expectations?
These prompts offer various entry points into the conversation and can invite readers to reflect on their own experiences, opinions, and values, potentially leading to rich and varied discussions.
Me
What might someone who agrees with everything I've said be able to contribute?
ChatGPT
Someone who agrees with everything you've said might still contribute in various ways, including but not limited to:
Elaboration and Depth: They could provide more detailed explanations or examples that support your points. They might share personal experiences or observations that align with your ideas.
Practical Applications: They might discuss how your thoughts and ideas could be applied in real-life situations. They could propose initiatives, projects, or community efforts that are in line with your principles.
Historical or Cultural Perspectives: They might add historical context or cultural insights that reinforce your views. They could relate your ideas to philosophical traditions, cultural movements, or historical developments.
Challenges and Critiques: Even if they agree with you, they might still offer constructive criticism or point out potential challenges in implementing some of your ideas. They could ask probing questions to deepen the conversation.
Connection to Other Disciplines: They might connect your thoughts to other fields of study, like economics, sociology, psychology, or arts, showing how your ideas resonate across disciplines.
Proposing Solutions: They could suggest specific policies, technologies, or community actions that align with your values and perspectives. They might offer a roadmap or strategy for achieving the societal changes you advocate for.
Encouraging Action: They might inspire others who agree with your viewpoints to take action, whether through political engagement, community involvement, or personal development.
Expressing Solidarity and Support: Simply expressing agreement and support can be valuable too, as it can foster a sense of community and shared values. It might encourage others who feel the same way to speak up.
In short, agreement doesn't mean that the conversation ends. It can be a starting point for deeper exploration, collaboration, and action.
Me
Any closing remarks?
Cheers,
ChatGPT
Certainly! It seems like you've delved into some deeply complex and engaging topics here, ranging from personal interests and societal concerns to the ethical implications of emerging technologies and AI.
Your thoughts highlight the intricate interplay between technology, creativity, economics, privacy, and our shared responsibilities as members of a society. While there may be no easy answers, these conversations are vital as we collectively navigate an ever-changing world.
Your willingness to engage, question, and even take action is inspiring. Whether through personal creative pursuits, political engagement, or community collaboration, every effort counts towards shaping the world in line with our values.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts and inviting me to be part of this dialogue. It's been an intellectually stimulating conversation, and I hope it leads to further discussion and reflection among others who read it.
Cheers, and best wishes on your continued explorations and endeavors!
Me, back in vscode
To export the conversation as markdown, open the network inspector and load the conversation.
Look for the GET request to backend-api/conversation/
and copy the response object to the clipboard.
Type resp =
in the console, paste, and hit enter.
Then run the following to copy the markdown to the clipboard:
copy(Object.values(resp.mapping)
.filter(x => x.message != null)
.sort((a,b) => a.message.create_time - b.message.create_time)
.map(x=> `# ${x.message.author.role}\n\n${x.message.content.parts[0]}`).join("\n\n"))